NOTE: This is a decent interview BUT there is an echo when Pat speaks, unfortunately. Hopefully, you can look past that and see what insights Pat (and hey, myself) brought to the table. I did try to reduce the echo through EQ manipulation, and there was some success. However, in the future, I will see about fixing the audio through some AI software, and I may re-upload that version.
Interestingly, my two previous podcast interviews did not have this problem, so I am not sure what's up with that.