Ekai Joel Kreisberg discusses the next step development of Jun Po Roshi's emotional koans. Bringing in the wisdom of Karlan McLaren's Language of Emotions, Ekai unpacks the eleventh and twelfth koan of Mondo Zen Facilitation, showing how Jun Po Roshi pointed to this work and how much more is possible as we explore new emotional koans. This podcast was originally offered as a dharma talk at Shining Bright Lotus Sacred Ceremony, October 19th, 2024.