This is the second part of a fascinating conversation with Dr. Fei Wang on research on psychological safety in the education system. If you haven’t listened to Part 1 - you might want to go back now and catch up! In this episode, Gail, guest co-host Caroline Picard, and Dr. Wang explore the challenges and opportunities surrounding psychological safety in school leadership. They discuss the hierarchical structures that often impede open communication, risk-taking, and creative decision-making, particularly for principals and vice-principals. The conversation highlights the complexities of the work environment and the critical need for a respectful, trust-filled atmosphere. Despite the difficulties, the episode ends on a hopeful note, emphasizing the importance of starting conversations and integrating psychological safety into the well-being support services for school leaders.