If the technology were possible, would you be willing to trade in your human body to be the brain of starship? How far would you be willing to go to go into the blackest unknown? Stephen & Mark will never get there, but they'll talk about the concept of shipminds from "To Sleep In A Sea of Stars" by Christopher Paolini. To help them muse over the possibilities, they will revisit an old friend, Oak & Eden 4 Grain & Spire.