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You're listening to A Tiny Homestead, the podcast comprised entirely of conversations with homesteaders, cottage food producers, and crafters.  I'm your host, Mary Lewis. Today I'm talking with Jason at Sow The Land in North Carolina. Good morning, Jason. How are you? Good morning. Doing well. Thank you for having Good. Thank you for being here. I know that you all are very busy people and I really appreciate the fact that you take time to talk with me.  How's the weather in North Carolina this morning?

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This morning  early this morning.  It was very nice  Before the Sun comes up, know or right before it's about to come up. It's really nice But like right now  we've had a pretty good heat wave here this week  You know, I think  high of 95 which that's pretty hot for us because I'm we're kind of more in the mountains  And humidity is there  still

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But other than that, know, it's sunny. We got a little bit of rain, maybe five minutes of rain yesterday, which we needed. But other than that, it hasn't rained here in a good week or two. Okay. Well, I'm in Minnesota and it's been very hot here and we've gotten over five inches of rain in the last four days. Which I mean, it's better than last year because last year it was a drought by now. We had hardly any rain. Yes.

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That was us too, I believe. Yes, that was us too. We had quite a bit of rain in the beginning of this summer, which was nice. I think that was kind of like normal.  But yeah, I remember last year we had a good drought. Yeah, and the thing is the rain has been fabulous for our over 250 tomato plants. I just ate the first tomato yesterday and they are so sweet. They are fantastic. Yeah, nice. But...

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but all the off and on rain pretty much did in our cucumbers and we have  no viable cucumber plants this year. I'm so sad. Oh man, I know. Yeah, it's always sad times.  So I begged my husband the next time he's at the farmer's market, because we sell our stuff at the farmer's market. I said, next time you're there, trade tomatoes for cucumbers, please. And he said he would. So we're good.  And it is the first day in

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Oh, a week or so that it hasn't been sweaty, sticky hot at 5 a.m. So I'm counting my blessings. Yeah, that's wonderful. It really is. I record in my upstairs bedroom and I can't have the air conditioner on when I'm recording because you would hear the hum. Oh, yeah. And the last few interviews I've done, I've been like, oh my God, it's so hot upstairs without the AC. So thankful that it's cooled down finally, because it's been gross.

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Yeah. Okay. So tell me about yourself and about Sow The Land. Yeah. So we have a homestead farm in Western North Carolina. We as in me, my wife and my daughter, she's now a We've been doing this since 2016. We first started when we first moved out in North Carolina, we started at one and a half acres and then

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lived there for six years and now we're on 14, which we've been here about three years now  and  where we grow  a lot of our food, not all of it, but  you know, currently we have  a 72 foot high tunnel that we grow in plus  a 1200 square foot outside garden and then  some raised beds.  We also have raised pigs,  cooney cooney pigs,  which

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If you're not familiar with them, they are probably the cutest pigs that you'll ever see.  And they're very easy going.  If you're new to pigs, they're a great pig to start off with.  And they're very gentle on the land.  hear they're sort of friendly too. Oh, they are. You could train these pigs  easily to follow you around.  You know,  we butcher them for meat.  I mean, that's a little hard because they are cute.

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You know,  but we breed them here too. And  we've had them since we lived here. So  I guess in three years, we have a breeder pair and we breed them. then  we also had two,  we raised  two steers here.  do, geez, this year, think we've  almost 300 meat chickens this year that we're raising.

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You know, we have 40 egg layers  and we move everybody around  on pasture, in the woods,  constantly moving  these little pig and chicken structures everywhere.  And we also have our own YouTube channel and the whole time  while doing all of this, we film  what we're doing.  it's kind of been, you know, as we're learning this lifestyle,

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kind of sharing what we're learning  and just documenting that for folks who want to watch what we're doing.  Well, good on you because trying to video the things that you're doing takes time and patience and skill. So I'm really proud of you for sharing it. It definitely does.  It's a whole other aspect that some people, know, when you're watching us doing something, you kind of don't realize that that's what we're  You know, and it's just so, you know,

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Editing videos, it takes time, filming, a camera around. It's definitely not easy, but I've grown to love it.  It's just another aspect of what we do. Yes, I feel like once you get the system down and it becomes second nature to you, it's a lot easier. But what I want people to know is that being a content creator and

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trying to do that around homesteading or farming is a whole different ballgame. There's so many pieces that people do not know, number one, about homesteading and farming,  and number two, about content creation  and the skills that it takes to do both. Oh yeah, you gotta be  the one-stop shop pretty much.  I film myself, I edit the videos, I still do that.

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the actual raising the animals, moving the animals, growing the food,  building the things that need to be built and fixing things and filming yourself doing it.  And then figuring out like, you know,  platforms to use and figuring all that side of things and how often do you post and  what do people want to see? And, you know, it's just,  it's like, I'm the marketer also, you know.  You have three full-time jobs. Yes.

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I have a quick question about the content creation stuff and then I want to get back to your story of how you got here. What's the shortest video you've done on YouTube that you've posted? Well, they have YouTube shorts now, so it's like a minute long if you count those. I remember when we first started, I was doing YouTube shorts before there was shorts. I was kind of treating YouTube as kind of Instagram stories. I would just go around.

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you know, really quick with my phone and just a little clip of something like me moving a chicken tractor, which is like 30 seconds or 50 seconds or something.  And I would just post that.  I would say those earlier videos are probably the shortest ones I've done and I still have them up on my channel.  Other than that, would be the YouTube shorts that I do every now and then. Okay. Well, let me ask the opposite question. How long is the longest video you've done?

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Longest video I believe is almost two hours. So what I've been doing for the last few years, well more than that, probably like last five years or so, I'll do like kind of like a, I guess a best of like catching people up at the end of the year of like what we did throughout the whole year. I'm kind of in one big giant like movie. And I'll do that at the end of the year and those videos

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do really well for me.  And it's just kind of taking all the footage that I've done throughout the year and footage that I've already posted in a video or  and some of it I have not. I just never made it to a video.  And so I would just put it all together and like I think last year was almost two hours long  that you're just making like one giant movie.  I like doing but it's just

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It's like I start editing it in October and I have it out by January 1st. That's how long it takes me. I was going to say an end of year recap is a perfect example because I was going to ask you how many hours it takes to get that finished two hour video. Oh yeah, start in October and I'll have it done by like end of December. You know, I'm not working on it 24 seven, you know, it's just kind of off and on. can try to get to it.

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It just, takes much longer than the two hours that people see is what I'm trying to get at. yeah, like a typical video, like on a, just a regular video, it'll take me maybe four to six hours to edit that one, like what, 20 minute video? So. Yes, exactly. It is a skill and it is work and it is time and it is passion. And I want, I want listeners to know that this is not just fun. It is fun.

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But it's work, it's real work. know, if everything, yeah, I say like I've said this before, like it's the most hardest and the most rewarding thing I've ever done.  Exactly. Yeah. And I'm not going to sit here and lie to you. When I do the podcast, I do very little editing because it's just a conversation. Unless someone says something  inflammatory or  uses one of the bad swear words.  I don't have to do a whole lot of editing.

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My time is involved in finding people to talk to.  that takes time. It really does because everyone is living very full, very busy lives. And  I feel honored when people say yes, because I'm nobody. I'm just me. If you want to spend 30 minutes yapping with me  about what you do, I'm thrilled to have you. That's great.  OK, so  now we've talked about all that. How did you get here?

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How did you get to where you are? Because I know your backstory, but not everyone does.  Um, so me and my wife, my wife and I were originally from Southern California, which is just outside of LA. And we lived there our whole lives. And we met in high school.  Um, it never lived anywhere else. That's where all of our families from and still live. And, um,  it was,  I had just turned 30 years old, which is now she's

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I it's like 15 years now. I had just turned 30 and I think it was in 2010 and I got diagnosed with cancer and that was the reason that what started all of this, where we're at today. And I don't think if it wasn't for cancer, we wouldn't be doing what we're doing now. I don't think we would even know that this whole other life would exist for us.

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And that kind of like changed our mindset of like, how do we want to live, you know, after getting a diagnosis like that, you know, I did  six months of chemo, lost my hair and everything. And  after that, I was in remission ever since.  And, you know, no  crazy surgeries or anything. And that was just so totally unexpected.  It was during that time is when we

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started talking about nutrition and, man, should we be eating differently and all these things? prior to that, we just kind of had the, you know, grew up the standard American diet, you know, just regular folks, not just doing our own thing. And, you know, I worked in an office job. I was a computer drafter. So I draw up blueprints for a company and my wife, she worked in the fashion industry. And so it was during that time. And then

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You know, when I was going through chemo, we just started looking at just different things of what we should be doing better. And I remember the last oncology appointment is when I had my last final CAT scan to determine like, you're officially on remission, you no more chemo. So I asked the doctor, I was like, okay, so what now? You know, it was such an emotional roller coaster time.

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Cause you just don't know what's, you know, very question. You don't know what's going on. You're just kind of following whatever the doctor's saying. This is what we got to do. And so much emotion that at that time. And so I always thought like, that's it. You know, am I supposed to be taking, I don't know, vitamins or follow a nutrition plan or something. And the doctor just looked at me and was like, no, you don't gotta do anything. You know, just go. She said, go back to your normal life.

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It'll be like never happened. And it was almost like, I looking back at it now, it was almost, I felt like we were, we wanted a doctor to tell us how to live, you know, like how to, I want that doctor to tell me how I should be eating. after she said that, it just didn't make sense to us. Like, there's no way, like, just go back.

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Like it never happened.  so that's when we started to kind of figure it out for ourselves of what we should be eating and not eating and cutting out of our diets and,  you know, we should be more active.  And that kind of snowballed into wanting to grow our own food because we never had done that before.  Didn't even know anybody who did that. Honestly, I don't think we've had friends or family that had any kind of garden.

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Definitely no kind of farm animals, no chickens or anything like that. So we just figured if the only way we're going to really know what's in our food, if we start growing it ourselves. we had a backyard and we had a of a couple of raised beds and there was some, know, bought some plants, tarts and started growing our own food. you know, growing that first tomato plant was like amazing. It was so empowering. And, know, and then when you

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have it when you eat it, you're like, oh my gosh, this tastes nothing like the grocery store. It was amazing and we fell in love with that and we just kept on trying to learn and figuring it out like how to grow food and growing cucumbers and growing kale, know, and just stuff like that. Then we had our daughter right after that and you know, we would kind of joke around. I remember joking around like, you know, we had like six raised garden beds and

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We ended up getting two chickens  for eggs.  And we is pretty cool. Like raising a couple of chickens, we have a little garden.  And then we started joking around with like,  wouldn't it be cool to have more land? You know, we're like, yeah, maybe we could, I don't know, raise a couple of cows or something. I don't know. And it was like, kind of like a joke that we would say because, you know, we're in kind of LA and it like, there's no land around here.

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During all that time of questioning our food, we were kind of questioning our jobs. What we wanted to do, like, was this job, this is it? I went to school and I got a job because I went to school and my wife was in the fashion industry and she eventually quit to be a stay-at-home mom. And so she was already at home and

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And me, I wanted out of my office job. I was there for 17 years of doing the same exact thing, sitting down in front of a computer,  in the office, in a cubicle. And that was kind of eating away at me.  And slowly, I didn't want to be sitting down anymore. I wanted to be  working with my hands  in the soil or building something.  And so  slowly,

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Probably a good six years after from 2010 to 2016, we started getting rid of our stuff. Like we collected a lot of things and we weren't living very minimally. But as we started to talk about this, hey, we might get land somewhere. I don't know where or if that would ever happen. Because also our family lived, we all lived like 30 minutes at least from each other, right? Like there was no way we're going to move away from them.

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That's why it became kind of like a funny joke, but  slowly we started to get rid of stuff because it's just stuff didn't matter anymore.  What mattered is our health and us being healthy and happy as a family. so we started getting rid of stuff.  We had bedrooms of furniture that we never went in. We got rid of furniture. We got rid of things on the walls,  collections that we had.  And next thing you know,  we

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pretty much just had maybe a couch and a kitchen table. And when we got rid of lamps, we got rid of everything in our house. we said, okay, I think we're pretty serious about possibly moving somewhere for some land. Because we also went down to one car, we were trying to live more minimally, try to get out of some debts that we had. And we're like, all right, let's sell this kitchen table.

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And so we did and then shortly thereafter, we sold our home.  And that was the first home that we bought together after we got married. And we're like, okay, we're going to, the plan was we're going to go, because my mom lives like kind of on the next street over. So we're going to live with mom for a year  and  we're going to continue to save and figure out where we want to be as far as.

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We knew we wanted a little bit of land, even just an acre we're looking for. And we're going to go look and see what we find. And that took a big step because, you know, I didn't want to move back in with mom, right? I feel like we were taking a step backwards after all this, you know, this college and having careers and stuff. And so that's what we did. We sold that house and we paid off some debts.

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with that money that we had saved and we had  money saved and  lived with mom for a year. And during that time, we kind of like looked around. We wanted to stay in California because that's where all our family and friends were. And that's really what we knew.  And then we started venturing out. We'd take a little vacation throughout the year,  know, New Mexico, Arizona, just kind of just looking around.  And, you know, we came to realize California is super expensive.  There is no way we

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we could have  afforded anything.  And at the same time,  I wanted out of my office job  and I didn't know how to do that. Cause I wanted to, the plan was I wanted to be at home,  like kind of working on our own business. don't know what that was, what that would be like at that time. And  we kind of wanted to work for ourselves and be at home. Cause my wife, also wanted to  homeschool our daughter.

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Okay. Can I, can I stop you for just a second? When you were living with your mom, was your daughter already alive? Yes. She was, uh, three and we left when she was four. So she got a whole year spending time with grandma. Very nice. Oh yeah. Yeah. That was hard too. Like when we left California and we're taking the granddaughter away too. So that has been difficult. Yeah.

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But  the memories that were made are so special, I'm sure. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah, my mom, she she loved us having been there, you know, like she was like, stay longer.  So after,  I don't know, it was, mean, that whole process was like, of getting rid of stuff, you know, after, after chemo to sell in her house and then looking for a place is like about six years. then around 20, end of 2015, we knew,

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family that moved out to the Asheville, North Carolina area to kind of do  what we wanted to do was like grow food, have a little farm.  And we had never been past New Mexico, you know, like we've never been  on the East Coast at all. And so they would tell us about this area and we're like, oh, we have to go visit. So we went to go visit on vacation for like a week  and we didn't look at even  look at properties. We just went to just go see

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what was going on in North Carolina. We had no idea what the weather was like or what.  So we went to go visit and  we just fell in love with the area.  Even the short times we were there, the people that we had met and  just the community that was there. mean, a lot of people doing what we wanted to do and  a of little small farms.  I think it was just so much different than California as far as weather.  There was water everywhere. There was no droughts.

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You know, super green.  And so,  we came back home in California and  I think six months went by and we're just still not sure what to do.  We did not want to move that far away because we'd be that's like the furthest you could possibly go of moving away from family and we didn't want to move away.  But you know, was, we felt like we were just drawn to  move out here.  And so, another, you

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my job's like, okay, what am I gonna do with my job? Like I gotta work, like when am I just gonna quit?  And so,  you I looked for places or do little jobs out here while I was in California and I couldn't find anything.  Nothing was coming up and it was just kind of frustrating at that time. And so I thought, you know what? I'm just gonna quit. I'm just gonna quit. Like I could do that. I'm an adult.  I can make these decisions,  right?

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And so that took a lot of  just man, I guess guts  to trust in the process.  so I eventually quit the job  and  with the very little stuff that we had,  well, I should go back to that. All these are like happening on all these steps that had to happen.  So before I quit,

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I told my wife, I was like, okay, we're never gonna really know if we're gonna even find anything over there in North Carolina. So, I'm just gonna go for the weekend and go look at properties. So, she trusts me enough to go by myself. Like on a weekend, I saw like 15 properties and I saw one that was one and a half acres. It kind of checked everything off the box that we were looking for, you know, it was affordable.

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The only thing it had a single wide mobile home on it, which,  it was  abandoned, know, it needed a ton of work.  And, but it was  kind of everything else was,  was what we wanted. And so we eventually  bought that and then came back, quit my job, put in my two weeks.  And with this little stuff that we had, we,  moved  all three of us, we moved out here and.

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The plan was just we'll figure it out.  If it's meant to be, it's meant to be.  At that time, like YouTube, like filming ourselves wasn't even in my radar. Like I didn't even think that was a thing.  All I knew is  we wanted to work from home somehow and I didn't know how to do that. And so  I maybe I'd do, I liked woodworking,  like making things and  you know, that might be a thing.

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that I do  and it has been.  And so,  eventually I thought, well, know, eventually the reality is I'm gonna have to go find a job somewhere.  So,  we had about  six months  of savings  where I knew like if I didn't work for six months, we would be fine. And so, I think about three months went by, you know,  after coming from a job that you got paid every single Friday and you had, you know, paid vacations,

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paid sick leave, paid insurance and all this stuff and all of a sudden that was gone. And three months went by and I did not not got paid. Trying not to freak out. And so I went to go look for place, our job and you just can't find anything really. So it was during that time, our family was super supportive of us moving out here.

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But also at the same time, I felt like they really didn't understand why.  And so, I would take these little  videos with my phone and like email mom, email grandma, hey, this is our garden or here's our daughter. Like she's  starting her own little garden, you know.  Just kind of what we're doing for the day.  And then that kind of got old after a while. And so,  I thought, how about I just put it up on a YouTube channel? I'll just put these little short clips or whatever I video and...

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that'll be, they could watch it whenever, know, mom, here's our YouTube channel, go ahead and watch whatever, you know, stuff I post.  And then it just kind of grew from there. Like other people started watching us, which was wild.  Um,  and I think we started the YouTube channel maybe a year after we moved here.  Um, and that kind of grew to what it is today. And then,  um, yeah, we just sharing  what we're doing  and, and we,

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The plan was we didn't want to, I didn't want to work for somebody else.  We wanted to work from home and work for ourselves and  we wanted to grow as much food as possible and  just be healthy. And we've been doing that ever since.  Okay. So  you ended up moving to 14 acres after that.  And are you selling what you're growing? Yeah. Last year was the first year we started selling

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like a pastured poultry or chicken meat. And then we started selling pork too. So at the end of last year, we started doing that, just growing, you know, just raising some extra than what we're doing for ourselves. And then this year, we started, you know, we're starting getting more into selling chicken and also turkeys. So pork, chicken, pork and turkeys right now, we started growing a little extra. Now we're not going...

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I'm not going super crazy and doing thousands of chickens or anything like that. It's just, you know, maybe a hundred or two extra a year and just try to sell that and see where that goes and see how that works and, you know, see if we even like doing it. Mm hmm. You are the first person I think I've talked to, Jason, who basically jumped off the cliff praying there was a river underneath of it. That's what if I for a long time,

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It felt like I was  drowning  where I'm like lost at sea and there's nothing around and I'm just like trying to tread water here. I'm just trying to float and then just grabbing onto things that go by and seeing if that's the thing I'm supposed to be doing.  And it was really just  I said yes to a lot of things like everything that came my way I'd be like yes, I'll do that.

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you know, or just like spread the word around.  Cause we didn't know anybody out here.  We didn't have family out here.  So just trying to  latch onto something to help us  grow, you know, to help us figure out what am I supposed to be doing here? Like what am I going do for work? Like that's, you know, reality is yes, I have to, we have to pay bills. Like we have, we have those things.  So it's just trying to say yes to everything and  just seeing what works and

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It's still kind of like that. mean, I'm  saying less yes to things, but  I'm still saying yes to a lot of things.

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keep saying yes because that's where the beauty is. Yeah, I think it was within those yeses that  kind of you understand or for me I understood like what I like doing, what I don't like doing, what's working, what's not working and I'm still saying yes to things  and just trying to figure that out because I also feel like it took a lot of effort, right? Like it took a lot of effort to move out here.

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Selling all our stuff and just quitting our careers and just leaving. That took so much emotion and physical effort. Then once we got here, it was I felt like what now? Uh-huh. Like is this it? We did it? Like okay, we could just live happily ever after? Like  I feel like no, that can't be it. Like we still need to live and figure this part out.

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And  I still kind of feel that way. Like I'm still trying to figure it out. Like is there something else I should be doing out here? Like the reason why we move or is doing these videos,  is that the thing? Is that the reason? Yeah.  Yeah. And you made a huge  leap and I can completely relate to the we did it. Is this it? Yeah.

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Because almost five years ago, we left a home that we lived in for 20 years to move out in the middle of the cornfields and soybean fields. and the day that we actually were officially moved in, I went outside and looked around at our 3.1 acre property and went, Oh my God, we did it. What now? It was that big, weird, hollow chest thing of

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Holy crap. Yeah, we did the thing.  What now? I know it's such a wild feeling. I mean even for the longest time to a few years after we moved out here.  I felt like I did something wrong.  You know, like I felt like almost I had this feeling that someone was going to drive up on my driveway in the yellow and tell me like how dare you do that? How dare you just leave?

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you know, that's so irresponsible of you. Why would you move your four-year-old daughter out here and not know anybody or family? Like, I had those thoughts in my brain  and  slowly,  you know, I just, you know what? There's just, why are we here? We're here to grow food. Like that's initially why we're here.  And so I  think just the act of just  living our day and just  not forgetting the why.

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has helped me get through that. I don't think that way anymore, but I think that helped me get through that part of it. It was like doubt, right? It was doubt telling me, no, you can't do this. How dare you? Yeah, I went through a feeling of being selfish because  part of the reason that we moved is because we lived right in town, in a small town. We were a block and a half off of the main street in a small town. And it was

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noisy and it was dirty and it was busy and I am not that person. I need quiet. need peace. So 20 years of my life, I lived in a place that I really didn't want to live in,  but it was really great for raising kids because everything was within walking distance and the schools were good and we had four kids.  And so when we decided to move, I was like, it has to be outside of town. I cannot be a townie anymore.

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And we had really good friends in that town and we still do. And some of them come visit us. And when they first came, they were like, Oh my God, it's so  pretty.  And it is pretty,  but I don't really care that it's pretty. I care that it's quiet.  And so I had, I had a good four or five months of feeling really selfish and  privileged because we were in a position to get the thing that I

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really needed. Oh yeah, I understand that. I know, it's such a weird feeling to you.  Yeah, I think after a while, you know, our family, they visit us now. Now they're like, I think the first couple visits, they're like, okay, I get it. You know,  after the good food that we have, that we've raised and they eat that and it's like, oh my gosh, this is it. You know?  But it took a little while to get there.

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of uncertainty when we first moved out here of like, this going to work? I don't know. But you know, slowly we're just, you know, you just got to keep at it, keep moving forward. And I also can relate to your family starting to get it because they ate the food that you grow. My husband talked to his dad this past weekend and one of the first questions his dad asked was,

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How are the tomatoes coming along? Because my father-in-law loves bacon, lettuce, tomato sandwiches. Nice.  Yeah. So he is ready for the first two tomatoes that we can spare. Right.  I know. One time we're cooking a half a hog that we processed here ourselves. And we raised this pig ourselves. And  my dad was like, are you going to cook that half a hog? He's like, he lives in Arizona.

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I'm like, yeah, we're gonna do it on this date. He's like, all right, I'm flying over just for that weekend. He was literally here for like two days just to eat this half a hog. And he flew back and it was kind of fun but it was cool. That's adorable. I love that.  Okay, so Jason,  I try to keep these to half an hour and I knew this would probably run long because you have a big story behind your life  and I wanted to hear it.

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So here's the thing, cancer is a big,  scary,  awful thing to go through.  But I feel like in your case, it was a beautiful wake up call. Yes, it was. And like I said, I mean, I don't think we would be living this lifestyle at all if we didn't get it. And so I thank God  for cancer every day.  But at the time, know, at the time it was very uncertain and very scary.

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It was just  trying to keep moving forward really and just figuring it out. Yeah, it has led us to beautiful things in what we're doing today.  I am  so happy for you and I'm so glad you're still in the world to share your gifts with your community  and your family  and especially your daughter who is what? 17, 18 now? No, she's about to turn 14. Oh,  okay. Well, either way, good.

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Good luck with the teenage years with a girl. It's not as hard as you think it might be. Yeah, it's been fun raising her completely different environment than what me and my wife were raised, you know. But it's been fun and she loves it. mean, this is all she knows now. yeah, she's grown up with the chickens. I think that's gorgeous. I think that is a wonderful thing. All right, Jason, where can people find you?

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You can find us on sowtheland.com. We're on Sowtheland on all the things.  YouTube, Facebook,  Instagram.  Yeah, and our own website, sowtheland.com.  I also  have our own podcast.  I do with two other  guys and it's called Homestead Shop Talk.  Oh, okay. I'm going to have to go find it. Yeah.

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Awesome.  All right.  As always, people can find me at atinyhomesteadpodcast.com.  And Jason, thank you so much for your time. I really do appreciate it. Thanks for having me. It was fun. All right. Have a great day.