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You're listening to A Tiny Homestead, the podcast comprised entirely of conversations with homesteaders, cottage food producers, and crafters. I'm your host, Mary Lewis. Today I'm talking with Julia at Farm Fresh Wife in Pennsylvania. Good afternoon, Julia. How are you? I'm good. How are you? I'm good. What's the weather like in Pennsylvania? Is it hot? Oh my goodness. It is think around 90 some degrees, but the humidity has been around 95 to 99%. So it is

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kind of gross.  I'm so sorry. The good news is it has finally broken here in the upper Midwest in Minnesota. So  maybe in a couple of days it'll be bearable in Pennsylvania. Uh, it says next week it's supposed to be around 70, like upper seventies and a little bit of rain hopefully tomorrow. So I'm looking forward to that. I think the whole freaking country is ready for it to not be so hot and sticky.

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Yeah, my kids have been spending more time inside. They go from the pool to the house.  That's about it.  Yeah. And let's just start this off with congratulations on the newest baby. Well, thank you.

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I saw pictures on your Facebook page and he is adorable. He is really good. I can't complain. All of my kids have been really good sleepers and babies and so far he's been really well behaved for us so I can't complain.  You are so  lucky. My youngest kid, I birthed three and I have a stepson.  My youngest baby that I birthed did not sleep through the night solid until he hit kindergarten.

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Oh my goodness. My little brother was like that. He was  the worst baby. And of course, my room was next to my parents' room at the time and he would wake up like every half an hour. So I dreaded that when I wanted to have kids, but I can't say much  now. Like I know I'm lucky. Yeah, you really are. And I mean, we're all lucky to be privileged to be moms, but  if you get a baby that sleeps through the night, you are very blessed.  Absolutely. Okay. So.

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Tell me a little bit about yourself and Farm Fresh Wife. So  I am 29.  My husband and I have known each other for 13 years. We've been married for five years as of July  11th.  We have a farm out in Jonestown, Pennsylvania. We raise beef cows.  I have obviously the dairy goats.  But actually before I started my business, I worked in healthcare.

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After we had our second child, I was working full-time nights  and I just kind of got tired of it.  I came home one day and I said, I'm buying Dairy Goats.  He goes, do you have a plan? I said, no, not really. I said, but I found two on Craigslist and I'm going to go pick them up next week. He said, okay.  Then I started making soap in our garage  and I watched a lot of YouTube. I talked to a lot of people. I even took a couple classes.

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That's just kind of how it started. was really just on a whim that I was like, I want to do something for myself. I grew up in a family of business people. My mom used to have a garden center and she does gourd crafts and she's been doing that for 20 some odd years. And my dad has done construction and landscaping for a very long time since he was like 16. So having a business or like

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being business oriented has always kind of been a part of me. I  worked for both my parents growing up.  So it just, kind of was more appealing to me than having to wake up every day and work for somebody else and leave my kids at home. And, you know, it was kind of like, it turned into like a vicious cycle where everyone was tired and, you know, they needed mom and mom wasn't home. I was working 12 hour shifts.

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And then it was like, hi bye to my husband. You know, we weren't going to bed at the same time or we weren't waking up at the same time because we worked opposite shifts. So it was kind of just like taking a leap. know, at this point I'm three, almost four years into it. And now I'm referred to as like the goat soap lady and I love it.  It like, tickles me pink that people actually know who I am and they come looking for me at craft shows and stuff now.  And it's actually, it's helped.

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you know, cover a couple extra costs here and there. And I get to be home with my kids and do extra stuff here on the farm too.  That is amazing. And the entrepreneurial, that's a hard word to say for anybody, is strong in you because of your parents. And that's great.  Um, when you said that you've been making soap for four years, almost everybody I talked to on the podcast  makes some

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form of skincare or soap in, you know, whether they do it to sell it or whether they just do it because they like to do it.  I'm astounded that Procter and Gamble is still in business. Yeah, I,  it was funny though, cause COVID was, you know, that was kind of the turning point. That's when my oldest son was born.  And like I said, it was just, I worked in healthcare for a long time. I started in the nursing home, went to the hospital, but it just, really took a change.

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and a turn for me because I  did  nursing classes in college and I was just about done.  And then I decided I was like, just, I don't love it like I used to. And I needed something that kind of gave me that spark back.  I mean, I love being around people. I love helping people. I actually had a gentleman come and find me at a show recently and I do make other products. I make tallow because we have the beef cows and that was kind of  just a spin off of my other

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stuff that I was already doing, but this gentleman came up to find me and  he had a skin issue that developed from taking medication and he said he was like, I just love this stuff. He goes, buy every other week from the lady that sells your stuff at the market and I just had to meet you face to face.  it just, it really made my day. And it's kind of funny because the things that have happened in the last year, mostly has been such a blessing.

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I couldn't have asked it to happen any other way. I've met so many incredible people just through craft shows and even my neighbors. We have a couple people that work bees out at our farm  and I've just become really good friends with him and his wife. And I use a lot of her beeswax and her honey and some of my products and she takes stuff to market for me because they go around and they sell all over the place. But I've grown to be really close with them.

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And then funny story,  she was actually at a market  and unloading some of my stuff and she dropped a whole case of tallow that she had bought from me.  And she had messaged me that night. She was like, I'm so sorry. Do you have like extra lids? Do you have extra labels? And I'm like, I'm really sorry. Like I can replace the labels and you know, but I can't really do anything else because  I didn't have extra stuff that day. And about a week or two later, I got a very random message.

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And this lady just so happens to live like three minutes down the road from me. But she messaged me and she said, Hey, she said, very random. She goes, but I found a jar of your tallow next to my van at church this past Sunday.  And she said, if someone comes and tells you that they're missing one, please tell them I'll reimburse them because I've used all of it. And I'd love to buy another one.  So, and she actually just opened a farm stand. she has.

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you know, since then has reached out to me and she has put some of my soap in her farm stand. So it's just when I say that I couldn't have asked for a better outcome this past year, I truly, truly mean that. And I mean, I thank God every day that things have happened the way that they have because it, it really has changed the dynamic of my home. And with my kids, my kids get to see that I work really hard every day and I, try to put my best foot forward and it's.

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a lot of it's for them, but a lot of it's also for me because it makes me feel good. So if mom feels good, everybody feels good, right? Yeah, happy wife, happy life is  kind of the same thing.  I'm really glad that you shared that story because the world is so stressed out right now and so chaotic  and everything seems like it's upside down. So you just gave an illustration of the fact that there are still really good people in the world.  Oh, absolutely.  I mean, it

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It baffles me a lot of the times,  you know, when you have an off day that it seems that somebody manages to step in at sometimes the worst, but the best times.  And again, like I, I just, can't stress it enough. mean, I, put a lot of my faith into God and I, truly believe that he's always listening. So a lot of these things could never have happened without that.  Yep. Absolutely.  Um,

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So what other, you said you have beef cows. What else do you have?  So we do raise chickens.  I have a donkey. We have a pony.  Mostly we started with just the beef cows and doing hay. My husband actually grew up on our farm. So he's been here his entire life.  About three years ago though, we switched gears a little bit because we had a lot of older cows and we used to raise primarily Angus, but we went to Semitols.

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Um, this last time when we bought,  um,  and we really, mean, I, I like them, their temperament has been great.  Uh, they calve fairly easily and we've had the last three years of  having the herd that we have, they've worked out pretty well for us. So we're, hoping that we can grow, you know, more for the community  and for family and friends and be able to.

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get to a point where we can butcher some more and provide meat in our area.

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I love that. I really stress on the podcast very, very often, probably too often,  that people who grow things need to, I mean, I don't want people who grow things to give them away. But if you grow a garden or you grow animals and you have extra, selling it to the local community is the best possible thing you can do because that gives the community  a chance to find out about you.

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and it gives them a chance to support you. And it's a symbiotic relationship that really needs to happen. Oh, absolutely. I'm a very big believer in small business, supporting other small business.  And  that's what makes the world go round. And you think about it, like back in the day, was so many mom and pop shops. And you had to rely on your neighbor  to get through. And I wish it was more like that today.

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And I'm hoping from what I see anyway, our community around here has been fantastic. Like I said, the people that have bees out here, they're great people. They're super nice. They also work super hard. it's,  they have that understanding of, you know, what it's like to be working day in and day out. And same with the lady down the road. She makes sourdough bread, but she works  very hard as well. I mean, she's  working night and day and she also has four little kids. So I.

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I can totally relate with her on that. But it's funny because we all found each other kind of on a whim.  And it's just the relationship that has blossomed over the last couple of years and even the last month or so that I've known her name's Bethany who lives down the road here.  It's just,  can't stress that it's been really good for me and for my kids to meet these people that also work.

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very hard or do similar things  because I want my kids to grow up also knowing that things aren't handed to you.  That it's,  you definitely have to work for, for things  that you want. And it makes you a good person to know that.  Well, yeah. And it,  it's more than just being a good person. It's, it's knowing that you're capable  and having a giving spirit or heart or however you want to say it.

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that's really important for self-esteem. Oh yeah, absolutely. I agree with that 100%.  And shout out to Bethany from a tiny homestead podcast and Mary and Julia, thank you Bethany for being awesome.  Um, hopefully she'll listen. That would be fun.  Uh, you mentioned that you sell your soaps in a local store.  I  actually have never looked into that for the stuff that we make here.

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Are there laws in Pennsylvania that you have to abide by to sell in a store or do you just have to do a contract with the store? So I know there's, it's kind of touch and go. Like you have to stay up to date with things. I know when I started initially, like the labeling requirements were different. You have to have certain things on your label to be considered, like able to sell.

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The one store that I sell in, it's a farm store.  But as long as I follow the guidelines for the labeling and there is no  set in stone FDA guidelines,  then it's okay. But  we are looking into possibly getting into our local grocery store, because it's a very small family-owned store. So that is something else that I'm looking into.

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But like I said, it's kind of touch and go because  since I've started, I know a lot of things have changed as far as the labeling and  the handling. Like you have to make sure obviously like you're in a clean area and the sanitizing and  I know it's different all over the place.  Like when I was started too, I looked into just laws all over the world because I was curious  and like in England, they have to have every recipe tested and approved before they're able to sell out of their home.

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So it's kind of funny how it varies from place to place.  But it's fairly, I would say, like an easy, simple process as long as you are following. You you get on every couple months and you're like, okay, maybe I need to change this or maybe this is out to date. I can update that. It hasn't been very hard.  Yeah. We have...

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We have a really robust farmers market every Saturday starting in June and I think they're running through October this year.  And so we sell our stuff at the farmers market and out of our farm stand on our property. And we're almost out. Like my husband just made two batches of unscented cold process lye soap two weekends ago because he was like,  we have sold almost all of our soaps. I was like,  Oh God, no, because that takes four to six weeks to cure. Yep.

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He said, yeah, I'm going to be making soaps over the next couple of weekends. I said, I'm okay with that. And I said, are you going to make the coffee scented one? He said, not, no. He said, making the unscented first. said, cause I haven't made any in over a year and I'm out of practice. So he made unscented and I'm sitting here looking at them on the drying rack as we speak. love that. I made soap today, this morning actually.

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I'm trying to,  I have some shows coming up, but they're fairly  close together in the next couple months. So I figured when the baby naps  and the other baby naps, I can try to get some of my work stuff done in between being out in this heat and little kids cooperating. So  I try to squeeze that in when I can.  Do you just have the two? No, have four. There's,  yep.  My oldest just turned six and then  the second one just turned four.

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And then the other one is one and a half. And then our youngest  is going to be two weeks tomorrow.  You are unbelievably busy. I can't believe you're awake enough to put a sentence together.  Lots of coffee.  Lots of coffee.  Yep. I survived on coffee,  um, with my kids after I stopped nursing them.  Um, I don't know what the, I don't know what the doctors say  now,  but

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they told me that like one six ounce cup of coffee a morning was fine if I was nursing, but anything above that was not good. Yeah, they change that all the time, but I drank coffee throughout my pregnancy, which I know a lot of people are like, I would never, but I didn't overdo it. It was like one cup of coffee and I started drinking coffee. I think when I was 15, 14, actually, I used to.

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I worked on a dairy farm, but our milking time was 3.30 in the morning. So I needed something and that was before energy drinks and  all that stuff. But I rather drink a cup of coffee than the other stuff that they have out there.  Well, coffee doesn't have all kinds of chemicals. You can't pronounce in it.  That is true.  I  really, okay, I'm going to make a very strong statement here.

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hate energy drinks.  To me, they smell like a compost pile smells.  And my sons, all three of them  love them. And they crack those things open and all I can smell is compost pile. I'm like, take it out side and drink it. Yeah, they have page done a lot. I can't stand it. I'm like, why can't you just make lemonade or iced tea? And they're like, because it's not the same. And I'm like, no, it's better.

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That is true. Yeah, I don't know. My husband likes those Celsius drinks, but I've been on him about that too, because I'm like, you know, you're not a spring chicken anymore and you shouldn't be drinking all this. But yeah, no, spring chickens probably shouldn't drink them either. But I get on with it now. I was like, we're a little older and we have kids and you know, I don't, that stuff always worries me though too, especially

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working in the hospital. We had some fluke situations where people have heart palpitations because they're drinking energy drinks and it's 100 degrees outside and they didn't drink water that day either. So they're pumping themselves full of caffeine and then they fall over in their yard and yeah, I get on him. He says that my cure for everything is drink water, drink water. I said yes,  I know. I tell you that for everything, but it does help  most things.

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You tell him that because it's true. Yes. And I have a story about energy drinks that I will share. My daughter was like 14 or 15. She's 35 now. And she had had, she drank like three or four energy drinks in one day. Oh wow. And she, she ended up in the emergency room for six hours because of what was in those energy drinks. She got herself

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She got herself dehydrated. I don't know how that worked with energy drinks, but there was something  in the energy drinks that she reacted badly to and because she drank so many of them, she was passing out. Oh, wow. Scared the living hell out of me. I thought she was going to die. Yeah, that is scary. But I've seen that more times than not working in the hospital and these young kids,  especially young kids, because they don't know.

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the risk factors with this stuff.  And  it's just, it's crazy. That's like the, the vaping thing that was,  that was scary too. We've had  numerous patients come in because they can't breathe because they get so much moisture in their lungs because they're vaping. And it's just, it's crazy. I mean, these things that they put out there for young kids to be having access to it baffles me.  And I think sometimes I

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I try to remind myself not to be a helicopter parent, but I also like to use  caution. And if there are things I can talk to my, especially my six year old, like she's at that age too, where she has questions about everything.  Like for example, we, my  husband's grandfather  used to smoke. So she was like, what is that? You know?  And it was more so like, okay, well we stand outside when he's doing that and  it's not really good for you, but.

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Um, it was, you know, you can't tell  an 80 some year old man to stop smoking after he's been smoking since he was 14 or 15 years old.  but yeah, telling him he's going to kill him is probably not going to hold much weight.  No, he, he told us during COVID cause he ended up very, very sick. He told us that whiskey and a cigarette was the cure for all.  So  very stubborn old military man. I said, well,  if I  said, if I end up with COVID, I'll

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I'll take that into consideration, but I don't think that's going to work for me. So yeah, yeah, I kind of take a live and let live approach with people like that. And I'm sure that he has redeeming qualities and he is a decent human being. But for me, I would be like, yep, I will take that under consideration. And that would probably be the end of that discussion. Um, okay. So.

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So really quick, because we're already off track, but we'll just stay off track for another minute. Your 29, was DARE, the DARE program, was that still in school when you were in school? Yes, it was. OK, so I remember it being a big deal. We had a little unit on it in health class when I was, I don't know, 15, 16. And it was all about don't do drugs. And really, I wonder if maybe the DARE program should now have

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don't vape and don't overdo on energy drinks included in the DARE program.  Probably. I feel like they should add in some things back to school.  just I have younger brothers, they're 10 and 13 years younger than me.  And just some of the stuff that they tell me at school, like they kind of, they went off track with a lot of that stuff too. Like they, some of their courses, I feel like don't even pertain to real life.  I really wish that.

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They would do more in school, even as far as like agricultural stuff. When I went to high school, our school didn't offer like the 4-H and stuff like that. So actually when I got started into my animal stuff,  I had to go to Lancaster, which is  45 minutes from where I grew up. And I was actually a part of the fiber arts 4-H and I used to do the sheep to shawl at the farm show.

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And I went to sheep shearing school and I did a lot of different things, but like my parents always had at least chickens or like a random pig that we would raise for a couple months and then we'd butcher it. But we weren't really big into ag, but I always  really liked it, which is why I've started milking.  I used to walk to the farm up the road and I milked for them because I couldn't drive. So it was  about two, three miles up the road. I'd walk up there or the other boy that I milked with, used to pick me up, but

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My mom actually, she wanted Angora goats in the worst way. So  one of my 4-H leaders,  actually, she had Angora goats and she had Angora rabbits. So she went away for a week or weekend and asked me to feed for her. And I said, okay. I said, well, don't pay me. said, do you have any goats for sale? And she was like, yeah, I have like one or two. And I said, listen, I will feed for you. And if this weekend's not enough, I'll feed for you another week or weekend.

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I'd really just like to get these goats for my mom.  And  she was like, okay, you know, that's, that's cool.  So I worked for her and I  got my mom, her first goat,  she got freedom. And then the other one was star because they were born around like fourth of July.  But  I started my mom off with her first two goats.  And then  about a year or two later when I could drive and we had a trailer.

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I found a cow and a calf pair, a Jersey cow,  and  I went bought my mom a milk cow. And now  she has  three Jersey cows that just had three calves  and she has, let's just say a handful of the Angora goats. Because girl math, you buy one, you end up with 10.  Yeah. So I kind of got her started on her stuff too, but it's funny because

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We just, we relate on a lot of different levels. Obviously she does like the fiber and I do the milk goats, but it's, it's fun because we compare notes a lot of the times and it's something else that we've been able to bond over  the last couple of years.  I mean, she has a small farmstead and well, I say small, but my mom works really hard and her garden is a hundred feet by a hundred feet.

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that woman would be out there on her hands and knees covered in dirt all day every day because she loves it.  But I guess I can get it legally because she's hard-headed and  works very hard and I think I get it from her.  You come by it honestly. I do.  I was just talking with my dad this morning and they have five chickens right now.  And  he said a couple of them are getting old.

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And I said, oh, well, you're going to get some more laying hens. And he said, I think I'm over it. He said, I'm 82. He said, getting down the hill to feed them when it's icy is getting to be dangerous. I was like, really? You're going to get out of them. You're over it. He said, I think so. He said, I think when they're done, I'm done. He said, I will just get eggs from the neighbor. And that was hard to hear. Yeah. You know? what?

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Yeah, I completely get that. My husband's grandmother is actually going to be 87 tomorrow. you know, she cracks me up though, because I feel like our kids keep her young. She literally lives right across the yard from us. So they go over and see grandma and she rides around in her golf cart. And that woman, mean, now, again, like I said, she'll be 87 tomorrow, but the heat gets to her.

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So like before the kids go over and bug her, I'm like, maybe we should call her first and make sure she's not napping. But kind of the same thing as my husband and I,  were like, you know, she kind of did slow down in the last year and  it's, hard to see that.  Um, especially cause she has all like, since I've known my husband, I've always just known her one type of way. And that's just like, she's been cruising around, doing her thing, gardening. Um, she loves her flower beds. She loves flowers in general.

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She has the greenest thumb in the entire world. That lady was like literally stick a stick in the ground and a tree will grow. I'm like, Oh, okay. You know, but yes, I love the older generation and especially talking about things that have to do with farming. we have a lot of people around us. Like I said, the community here is great, but we have a lot of older farmer friends that are just fantastic. And it's just funny.

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to hear their stories or to hear how they think about things or how you should do certain things. And I always have to tell my husband too, though, I said, you you have to sometimes keep up with the times. Like sometimes it's okay to let that old tractor go because it doesn't quite run like it used to. And sometimes it's okay to change the way things are. And, you know, you have to do what you have to do. But some of the old school ways, I mean, they still hold true. So I do respect that, but it's.

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It's just  funny to see how different things are from then till now.

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Absolutely, and one of the taglines that I play with all the time is  doing old-fashioned things in newfangled ways. And I think that's what you're doing and what I'm doing.  And my dad is still doing old-fashioned things in old-fashioned ways, and I'm really proud of him for that.  So I try to keep these to half an hour, but I have a couple more questions if you have time. Yeah, absolutely. Oh, okay. I don't want your husband to be...

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saddled with the babies for too long. God bless him for giving you time to talk with me.  What do you sell for products? Because I would like people to know what they can get from you. mostly is the soap,  the goat's milk soap, then the tallow. I make chapsticks, bath soaks,  and some odds and ends things. I started making some beeswax melts this year too. And sometimes I make bath bombs. They're not my favorite.

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They're not my favorite either. I  started with those  and I really like them and then it was kind of like,  don't love them, so why am I still making them? And I  think that also kind of  changed my direction with some things too because you don't want to do things that you don't like because then you won't want to do them.

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And that's kind of where I got to like, it's okay to say no,  I do have people that are like, can we get bath bombs or, you know, can you make this and sometimes as a business person,  you do have to say no.  I mean, there's times where you can save no for a better day, but I've just learned to that when you do work for yourself, in order  to keep it where you like to work for yourself, and you like to make the products that you make, it is okay to kind of change things up a little bit.

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I also  make  sugar scrubs.  So I try to keep a variety of things just because I know that you're not going to want to buy 10 bars of soap at the same time unless you're stocking up for something or Christmas. I know that's a big thing where people want to buy some stocking stuffers.  So I tried to keep that in mind too when I started making extra products.  But primarily, like I said, it is the soap.

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And I really enjoy that. So. Okay. I got a couple of things based on your answers.  Bath bombs are a pain in the ass to make. They either turn out exactly right or they fall apart. Yes, absolutely. That's, uh, yeah. I tried, I tried twice making them just for the hell of it. And  I  was like, absolutely not. This is not something I want to screw around with because the,  the,

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Return on investment is just not good enough. No, and it's hit or miss. I've had days where I have made 80 and they all turn out great. And then I have days where I'll make five or 10 because it's something I wanted to whip up quick and then they all blow up, like you said. Or I had an issue where they actually got so dry and I don't know why, but they got so dry from sitting that they just like crumpled. And I was like, oh, yeah, OK.

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And then that's all product that you have to throw away. And it's terrible. It's kind of like when I first started making soap, though, like  I would cry after every batch until I finally got it. Like it's one of those things that you do have to practice. And it's like science. It's a lot of fun. But  when I kept screwing up over and over and over again, like I knew it wasn't going to come the first time. But like it was like every time I tried, I'm like,  I don't know what to do. I don't know what I'm doing wrong.  And

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But it's funny because I look back now and I look at when I first started and I'm like, oh my gosh, my soap was horrific. It looked terrible. But I thank my friends that bought stuff from me to support me because I don't know that I would have continued if it wasn't for them. But it looks a lot better now. So that's,  that's all the practice and the crying, I guess that got me over that hump and I figured it out.  the stick to itiveness and the  determination to get it right. Yes.

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Oh, I don't like to be wrong. That is one thing that I mean, I can admit when I'm wrong, but when I want to be good at something, I will keep trying and trying and trying until I'm really good at it. Yeah, I understand. Okay. And then the tallow is the tallow tallow lotion or is it more like a sap? So I do a tallow balm and a whip tallow.  Primarily the whip tallow. So it's more of like a lotion.

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But that has, I started with the tallow balm. I really liked it, but it seemed to be more of like a fad and a request for the whipped tallow. And actually the more that I've made it, the more I've also fallen in love with it. But it also helped with like my collaboration with the community as well, because I started adding the honey in it from the bee people here. So it's kind of,

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It's cool that we can support each other that way. And I found more ways to do it. I also use her beeswax and her honey and some of the chapsticks,  uh, as well as, uh, like the sugar scrubs. And I make a soap with their honey in it as well.  Nice.  Awesome.  Can people,  will you ship if people want to buy it from you? Oh yeah, absolutely. And you're on Etsy?  Yes. It's paused till  August 1st. So.

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two days from now,  but yes, I have Etsy as well. Okay, I'll make sure I link that in  the show notes or the show description, whichever one makes more sense to people listening.  I heard the other day when I was learning about podcasting, because I've been doing this for almost two years and I'm like, I still don't know enough,  is that people get confused about show notes versus show description and they're the same thing. So I will make sure that it's linked to your Etsy shop. Thank you.

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Yep. And where can people find you online?  So I do have Facebook. don't really, I don't use Instagram all that often, but it's Facebook or Etsy.  Um, and we are working on a website, but that is not currently in the works right now.  All right.  This was fabulous, Julia. And again, congratulations on the baby and the fact that he sleeps really well for you. I'm so jealous  and,  having three other kids and

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staying a sane human, sane question mark human.  And as always, people can find me at a tinyhomesteadpodcast.com. I hope you have a great day, Thank you. Thank you too. Bye.