Dawn's Dirt teaches us about farming

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You're listening to A Tiny Homestead, the podcast comprised entirely of conversations with homesteaders, cottage food producers, and crafters. I'm your host, Mary Lewis. Today I'm talking with Dawn at Dawn's Dirt in Alberta, Canada? Yeah. Yeah. Okay. I couldn't remember. I've talked to a few people and I'm like, oh no, I'm going to screw it up again. Dawn is going to run me through a basic coaching session because that's what Dawn does. Dawn coaches people on how to start.

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farms or homesteads or something where you grow things. So  go ahead Dawn, let's do this.  Now I feel a little nervous actually.  just act like I know nothing.  Well, but that's not the truth though.  You've got a homestead going there and I think it's a pretty good one.

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I guess what I do with my clients, first I jump on a jumpstart call just to get a feel for who they are and what their goals are. So I guess that would be my first question is what are your goals with your homestead?  To keep it.

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Okay.  What are the blocks and barriers from you keeping it?  We need to figure out a way to have better systems. Like my husband started growing a garden four summers ago and it's a hundred by 150 feet now.  And he started out growing all the things. And as we've gotten further along, he's now whittling it down to the things that sell like tomatoes and cucumbers and cabbage.

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And so I think that was a smart thing to do, but do you think that's a smart thing to do? I absolutely think that that's a smart thing to do. So when I had my farm, I was a farmer for many years. I had a 36,000 square foot greenhouse  and I did 20 acres of garden  and  people would ask me what I don't grow. And there was a handful of things that I didn't grow. So I didn't grow asparagus because I just didn't get it established. I just never went down the asparagus route.  I didn't grow, um,

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Peas  didn't really grow on my farm very well. And so I stopped growing them because they didn't produce very well and they just weren't  effective. I didn't grow garlic because again, garlic,  I just never got it figured out.  And ironically enough, I didn't grow carrots and people go, why wouldn't you grow carrots? Like they're one of the biggest sellers.  And the reason I didn't grow carrots is they didn't grow super well and they were super labor intensive. And so by the time I...

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planted them and weeded them and harvested them and  packaged them.  It just took so much time that it didn't really pencil out very well and it wasn't one of my high,  it was a high cost item  for  low net  margins. Like I didn't make as much money on it so on them so I just quit growing them.  So I think that's super smart that you're gonna grow  the things that sell the best.

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and grow the best and are easiest for your customers. good. So we've got that knocked, I think. And you'll be happy to know that since we last talked, all, well, over 250 tomato plants are still growing and they are loaded with green tomatoes right now. So we should have, but tons of tomatoes in August. I love it.

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How many leaves do you have on your plants right now? Are they full of leaves and green tomatoes or are they full of just green tomatoes and a few leaves?  Probably right in between the two. My husband's been pruning them and tying them up.  Okay, perfect. Yeah, because that's how I got more production out of my tomato plants is I actually pruned them.  And so I took all the suckers and shoots off  and then I stressed my plants out. had  a client a couple years ago, she said,

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Dawn, my tomatoes are all green  and the plants look big and beautiful and healthy, but these tomatoes are green. I've got some flowers, but I'm not getting red tomatoes. And I said, that's because your plants aren't stressed out enough.  And so if your husband goes through and kind of takes off a lot of the bottom leaves, opens up the green tomatoes to the sunshine,  you're going to get more production. It's going to stress your plant out a little bit. And a stressed out plant is going to want to produce a seed and a seed is a red tomato. And so

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When I had my farm, and again, I was in perfect growing conditions. So perfect watering, perfect temperature, perfect sunlight, perfect, perfect, perfect everything because I was in an enclosed space. But you can still take the principles and move them outside to your garden. I only had 12 to 15 leaves on my plant at any given point. And so I don't think you should go that

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far into stressing your plant out, but I do think,  yeah, it's not going to hurt to take a few more leaves off and you'll get a few more red tomatoes. Awesome. I have a question actually.  I was told that tomatoes don't like to ripen unless it's below 80 degrees Fahrenheit. If it gets above 80 and it gets really hot, they stop trying to ripen until it cools down again. Is that true?

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Don't know about that, but I do know that if it gets too warm, you need a difference between your daytime and nighttime temperatures  in order to set the fruit. I do know that, but I don't know about the ripening process.  Although when it's warm,  they do ripen a bit quicker. They ripen with the sunshine and with the warmth, not with the cool. So people always tell me,  oh, I pulled all my green tomatoes off and I put them under my bed in my basement. And I'm like,  that will preserve them, but that's not going to ripen them.

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ripening them is where you take them out and you put them in your living room where you've got a south-facing window and  the sunshine and the heat will actually make them turn red. Okay, the reason I asked is it's gonna be really freaking hot here in Minnesota this week. We're already at 80 degrees right now and the humidity is disgusting.  And I was like, well, it's gonna be another week before those things ripen because it's gonna be hot, but maybe not. Maybe the heat will make them  turn red. I don't know.

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It might make them turn red, but it's going to make your plant slow down and it's going to make  the fruit production slow down a bit because the plants aren't going to like that.  The other thing is, is when  I, when we had hot days and it got warm in the greenhouse,  um, my leaves didn't grow as big. so when my leaves didn't grow as big,  uh, we, slowed down on our de-leafing  and pruning because you still need leaf, you still need leaves to keep your plants  growing. And so.

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I know that he kind of slows down your vegetation. It just slows the whole plant down. It doesn't like being too warm. And so sometimes maybe a shade curtain or things like that, that can help. Okay, awesome. I will share this with the hubby because he's the gardener and I'm the researcher. I'm the one who's like, let me ask people who know things and I will tell you. The other thing is that because he is the gardener, it's his baby.

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He's very protective of his baby. And I have to be real careful about how I broach things to him about his gardening,  because he thinks I'm being critical and I'm not. I'm trying to help, but he perceives it as being critical. And so I keep suggesting to him that he choose more passive things. Like  we do have an asparagus bed that is established and it did great this spring.

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It's only been in for four years, so it's gonna probably be two more years before it can really sell asparagus. But it's doing great. And we have a ton of strawberries that he just picked up at the farmers market, the plants themselves, and he's gonna put those in. So asparagus and strawberries and  fruit trees tend to be pretty passive  growing situations, right? Yes, because they're perennials. Sorry, not annuals, they're perennials.

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And so that's the thing with the perennials.  You still have to look after them, but once they're established,  you're going to get things year after year after year. And so perennials are such a good idea because you're not relying on seed, you're relying on the plant and then you can transplant and  make new patches and things like that.  those are great, great options for,  right, passive things on your homestead or on your small farm.  And then I personally like the quick things.

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Now lettuce in the heat of summer is really hard, but lettuce is a quick crop. So you can do early crops of lettuce and spinach and you can do late  crops of lettuce and spinach. And what I find  or what I found when I did farmers market, now our zone,  growing zone up here in Alberta is a little different than yours down there.  But the principle still remains. You just have to watch your seasons  and adjust the months of the year you're doing that. But what I found was  I had earlier,

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spinach and lettuce. So I had earlier crops than most home gardeners would. So they always planted a little later than I did. And then I would reseed and I would have late crops because what most home gardeners do  is they plant  one time in the spring, they harvest their lettuce and spinach and they don't  think or don't know to replant.  And so that's where you come in.

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You can replant your spinach and lettuce later in the season when it's going to be cool or you can put some shade cover on or things like that. There's tricks that you can do to make that stuff grow. And then you will have  lettuce and spinach and your cool weather crops in seasons when they don't.  And that's how you're going to make more pennies and nickels and dimes as well. Exactly. And our farmers market ran through October last year. So we're hoping to do that. We're hoping to get some greens in the ground so we have a  fall crop.

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Perfect. That sounds amazing.  know, fall was always my favorite time. My favorite time of the year  on my former farm was when I had  almost everything. I had greens and I had beets and I had potatoes and I had corn and I had almost all of it.  you know, that month of August. For me, it hit about August,  late August and the very early September. Those were my, excuse me,  those were my very

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best weeks on my farm because I had it all.  The other thing that you can do  to make extra money at the market is I never sold items by the potatoes cost this much and the tomatoes cost this much and the beans cost that much and the lettuce cost that much. So people would pick up a bag of beans and a bag of  lettuce and they would grab their two items. That's not how I sold.  I didn't sell it by the pound. I sold it by the

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item.  So I made up bags  or packages or whatever you want to contain your produce or measure out your produce.  And the weights can all be different depending on the item. A package of pea shoots is going to weigh way less than  a bag of potatoes.  But I priced it all the same and I did a mix and match thing. So my pricing was one for six  or five for 25. And what that did was it let your customers

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who only wanted three items, then you can say,  for two more items, you, you know, it's this much and they'll buy more.  And so was kind of more of a one-stop shop. And so I almost not tricked customers,  they were, they were, it was a, it was a relationship and they, they bought from me.

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It's a marketing tool. It's not, it's not a trick. Yes, exactly.

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Yep.  We did grow potatoes two years ago and the year three years ago.  And  I love when we grow potatoes because I love when you pull the plants out and the potatoes start rolling out. It's so cool. But potatoes take up a lot of room. And so there weren't enough people interested in buying potatoes. We don't grow them anymore. Okay.

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So that's a smart technique as well. You're using your space that you have effectively and growing what people want and what you're going to get the most margins out of. And you're correct, potatoes do take a lot of space, whereas a bed of lettuce, a two foot bed of lettuce, you can put four rows in there and get a lot of lettuce out of a small space. People don't use their

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space effectively. They think, oh, I put in one row of carrots and then three feet over, I put in another row of carrots. And  if you're using your garden space like that,  you're right, you don't have enough space.  But if you're planting your rows a little closer together and having, you know, minimal walk paths and just doing,  just planning out your space effectively, and that's what I do in my coaching program. So  I am a garden coach in the spring, and then I'm a business coach through the rest of the year. So I teach people

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not only how to grow their gardens, but then how to turn that into a business and maximize production and get money off their small farms  and homesteads.  yeah, I forget where I was going with that. But the point is using your space effectively that you have to maximize production to get the most  money back out of your garden space.  out of all the work you put into growing that stuff, Yes.  So I have a question. Yes, ma'am.

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It's a ton of work for sure, absolutely.  Do you have irrigation? Do you have irrigation that you can just turn valves or on a timer that it's irrigating or do you have to go out and like manually irrigate?  He has sprinklers set up that he just goes out and turns on. Okay, okay,  for sure.

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So tomatoes don't super love top watering. that would be another suggestion of mine is if you can at all get drip irrigation under your tomatoes and peppers,  that would probably help your plants more  than overhead sprinkler system. Okay. Good to know for next year. We have had such a beautiful growing weather this year.

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It's been sunny for like three days in a row and then it's rained for like three days in a row. So it's been very up and down. And so we really haven't had to water this year, which has been wonderful.  And the reason that he put in so many tomato plants is that last summer we had terrible luck. It rained for six weeks from May until mid June. Our garden was soup until mid July.

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He managed to get some tomato seedlings in. They died. He planted again at the end of June and those died. And he planted again in, I think it was the second week of July. We didn't have our first tomato until September last year. And we were not the only ones. No one had good luck last year. And so he over planted this year on the off chance that this was going to be a pattern.

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And he's had so many people come up to him at the farmer's market and be like, so what's the ETA on tomatoes this year? Cause I know it's going to be a good year. Nice. That's amazing. Perfect. You know, and that's the thing. And that's where, that's where people need to realize and understand farming and agriculture. That's what you're doing is, is small scale farming and agriculture. It's gambling. It's a gamble. It's high roller goal gambling. so.

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Yeah, like you can have a bad crop or you can have a bumper crop and it can be anywhere in between there.  And so that's where diversifying your farm or your small homestead is such a good thing.  Now not diversifying, the biggest mistake I think people make is they get  the goats and the ducks and the sheep and the chickens and the...

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pigs and the, and the, and the, and the, and the, and they're not choosing breeds based on, you know,  what's going to sell best or what's going to produce best or what's going to be cost effective. They just go up based on what's cute.  And then they add their garden and they want the fruit trees and the strawberries and the asparagus and the potatoes and the carrots and the ba ba ba ba ba ba ba ba ba ba. And they get too many irons in the fire. And once you get that happening on your homestead,

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You're not. You've got lots of irons in the fire and nothing's being done well.  However, having said that, because you're gambling, right, with your tomatoes, you had a bad year that last year and you're going to have a good year this year.  If you're growing,  you know, the top few things, if you have the top few animals, and if you really focus on those few things and do it well,  something will hit.  You know, if  it's not a good tomato year, it's going to be cool and wet.

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and that might be a good lettuce and spinach year. And so if you're diversifying your warm weather crops and your cool weather crops and then diversifying your animals,  you know, to the top few things that are going to work best for your property,  that's how you're actually going to make the money. But  I see it on Pinterest and Instagram and all the things so often,  and people are getting  animals just for the sake of having an animal for a picture. And, you know,  that doesn't pencil out. I have a

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I have a potbellied pig in my backyard that's just taken up space and room and  you know, she's a mouth that I have to feed now,  but she's not going to make me any money other than for a picture. that doesn't really,  when you're thinking of a business scenario, that doesn't work.

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Yeah, exactly. And the reason we don't have livestock, we have chickens because we want eggs and people want eggs, they buy our eggs.  But we don't have goats or pigs or anything. And part of it is that it would cost us more to feed them than we'll ever make back on selling the meat.  And number two, if the garden dies, it sucks. If a goat dies that you love, it hurts. Yes, for sure. Absolutely. I mean,

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I'll be honest with you, there's a little more farmer in me.  I have two goats right now and I don't even have them named. I really actually like the one. I don't love the other one,  but I really like the one, but they don't have names.  I don't know what their names are. I've not named them. They're not really super my pets. I pet them and I love on them and I take good care of them, but they're not my pets. They are there to produce milk for me and my family. I don't sell it because that's illegal in here in Canada.

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but they're there for a purpose, for milk, for my fridge.  yeah,  that's,  you kind of have to separate yourself. When you're a homestead or a farmer, you have to  think like a farmer. And  I know lots and lots of farmers, big farmers,  and they don't name their cows.  I sell eggs and chicken  at a farmer's market and people say, oh, what's, and I sometimes I'll bring a chicken to the farmer's market and they'll say, oh, what's the chicken name, chicken's name? And I'll say,

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number 139, I said, I got too many, I don't name them. They're not my pets, they're for food production, right? And they go, oh, that makes sense, yes.  And so that's the thing that people really need to understand. If you're gonna get a property  and if you're gonna homestead, which is small scale farming,  you have to kind of somewhat separate yourself. And if you're gonna have livestock, you're gonna have dead stock, it's just the way it is. And you have to,  of course, grieve and have a little cry if you need to.

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Um, but realized that that just happens.  Absolutely. When we got our first four chickens, when we lived in town,  my neighbor said, so what are their names? And I said, A, B, C and D. And she said, what does that stand for? And I said, pick any name, Annabella Caradela. I, it doesn't matter. They're not named. And she laughed and she said, so D is D all of the above. And I said, sure. Yes. So we never named it. We never name our chickens.

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Right?  because they they things shit happens. Sorry, I don't know if I'm allowed to say that on your show.  It's fine. Things  shit happens like,  you know,  animals get sick, they die, they break their leg, you know, something gets them a kite, whatever like that's part of being in the country and being on a homestead or farm is things happen.  And I  this is what I get a kick out of is I've seen I saw some people a couple years ago and they

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moved from the city out to the country and they got all these chickens and they were going to be farmers. They  went higher scale, like bigger scale right off the bat.  And next thing you know, I'm seeing all these posts and  all this poor chicken and I had to bring the chicken home and I brought the chicken to the vet and  all these things. And I'm like, oh my goodness,  no wonder you're not going to make money on your farm because your vet bill on your chickens is so high.

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The best thing you can do for a sick chicken or a broken leg or something like that on a chicken  is you tactician the map on that  and you realize you don't bring that bad boy to the vet. You put her in a soup pot.  you know,  that's going to be the best use and the map for a farm, which is a business. Like your small homestead and farm is a business now. It's not just  a hobby. I mean, if you have a hobby and you want to do that and  your husband works in town at a great job, sure, go ahead.

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But if you're wanting to do it as a business, don't go to the vet for a chicken. You might go to a vet for a cow, but you're not going to go to a vet for a chicken. No, because that chicken is never going to earn enough money to pay back the vet bill. It's just not. never. Right? And that's, I mean, it's a hard reality and it's sad. it's, you know, like if you're an animal lover and you've got a soft spot for animals, for sure. But

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But then I would question, and this is what I do in my coaching, I would question if maybe animals is not your best bet. It's not the best way to go, you know, for your business. Maybe you should focus on  vegetables that when the crop dies, it hurts, but it's not the same sadness.  Absolutely.  I  could not agree with you more, Dawn, because  I don't want to have to deal with sick animals. And I'm glad that our place won't support them. I mean, could we?

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Could we finagle it? Yes. Do I want to?  No. So we don't. We grow produce, we grow fruit, we grow sunflowers and peonies. And  we have two little wildflower gardens that we put in that are just fun. And we have sold wildflowers before. Love that.  And that's  so perfect to diversify your small  farm and homestead and make money off of what you have, you know.

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The flowers are enjoyable in your backyard. Perfect. Like when you sit on your deck and you enjoy your flowers with a cup of coffee, I'm sure that is so lovely.  But then also taking those flowers, turning them into bouquets, bringing  them to the farmer's market and making a couple of bucks off them.  That's even better. You just paid for your time to, you know, plant and weed those flowers.  Well, the great thing about wildflowers is they don't really need to be weeded. Okay.

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I actually don't grow flowers.  I have a couple of annuals, but that's about the extent of flowers that I do. I do food. That's what I've always done and that's what I focused on.  yeah, for sure.  wildflowers like competition from the weeds.  Oh, interesting.  Yeah, they do really well. I have package of wildflower seeds. Maybe I should throw them in.  Well, if nothing else, they'll be very pretty. Yeah.

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Okay, well, I'm going to turn this around. I've got a package of wildflower seeds and some trees and bush around my place. Maybe I should just scatter them in there.  They will need sun.  Oh. I'll put them on the edge of the bush, self-basic. Yep. They'll need like six to eight hours a day of fairly direct sun. They'll get that.  I know the perfect spot. Okay, cool.  You're going to have to do that. Let me know how it works out.

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Well, they probably won't do much till next year though, I wouldn't think. It's late, yeah. might maybe wait until  spring. Spring, yeah. And check the package because I don't know what you have for that mix, but some of the wildflowers,  need a winter in the ground, the seeds.  Oh, okay.  I'll look. I'll read the package.

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That'll be fun. And if it works, you'll have to send me pictures.  son actually dug up a bunch of sunflower seedlings from last year's plants, and he put them in a whole bank  of  like a  row, and they've become this sea of sunflowers, and they're so gorgeous. Love it. I love it.  You know, that's amazing. I have a friend,  he owns

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Bowdoin Sun Maze  and  that's how he diversified his farm and diversification on a small farm is really, really important, especially from a business standpoint.  So he planted  fields of sunflowers and he's got different plantings of them and he does sunflower mazes.  And so people come and they pay him  to come onto his farm  to take pictures in the sunflowers.

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brilliant, brilliant business opportunity and business that he's made out of it. So that's another key thing with your homestead or your farm is figuring out what's going to work for you to diversify and get some extra dollars through the door. I'll tell you what, if it was just my say so, and it's not, my husband and I are a team, we have to compromise and we have to work together on what we want to do. If it was just my say so.

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This place would be asparagus, strawberries, tomatoes, sunflowers, peonies, and that would be pretty much it. That would be what we would be growing. You know,  that's not bad. That's still what I think five things  and that's five things that you can do and do really well to sell at farmers markets.  Now you might not  make the bank with that, but you know,  you never know.

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If you've got lots of outlets, you never know. I know some big farmers around here, vegetable farmers, and they've formed a co-op actually.  And  there is a lady that she does asparagus and peas, and then she does a few other things.  Another one does carrots  and cabbages and broccoli and cauliflower. And then she does a couple other things, but  they have main crops and that's what they do. And they do  quarter sections, 160 acres of

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Wow. Peas or carrots or whatever it might be. And then they sell at farmers markets that way. Nice. I see. I feel like that's what our farmers market has become. I mean, I wouldn't call it a co-op, but I feel like it's the same idea. Yeah, for sure. When everyone can do what they do well. Now, the only trouble at farmers markets that I've run into up here in Alberta is when you have people that grow a little bit.

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Which is great.  I'm happy that they grow a little bit, but then they also buy and sell a whole lot and that's tough competition. And I don't really think that's fair competition either,  especially for the farmer that's growing it. It's not. And we don't really have that problem with our farmers market. The people that run it are pretty good  about making clear that they would really like it if people who are going to sell actually make the things that they sell or grow the things that they sell. Yeah, for sure.

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Well, and you know, in my last year that I was, the last couple of years that I was growing,  I had too many tomatoes and I wouldn't have, it wouldn't have been bad if I didn't have too many tomatoes and they still had tomatoes because if I was selling everything,  that would have been different. But because I wasn't selling everything,  then competing against tomatoes that were being bought and sold, that really,  it stings and it hurts. And you know, when I'm feeding tomatoes to the chickens that could have been sold at a farmer's market.

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But because my competition was buying and selling them,  you know, it just makes it really hard. And  I try not to look past or look past to the past or back to the past to get, get frustrated or angry. It's just,  it's a fact. Truth is truth and facts are facts. And that's just a fact of what happened and part of my story and my journey with my farm.  And when you're saying buying and selling tomatoes, they were buying tomatoes outside of their place and then selling them as if they were grown at their place.

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Yes, essentially. don't think that they necessarily lied about it, but they,  it just,  the optics of it, when you go to a farmer's market, you think you're getting from a farmer. And so the optics of it, there's just a lot of unspoken, right? And so,  yeah, they were buying from a big warehouse, a large warehouse, and that large warehouse provides tomatoes to all the grocery stores right across, you know,  Alberta, for sure, and then Western Canada. And so

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That's just a little bit, and I don't think they were being malicious about it at all. They were just trying to make their business go. But yeah, it just is really hard for, so that's, guess, if you're a farmer's market manager, make sure that you do your homework on the farm. Ask how many acres someone has, how much crop do they grow? Like how big is their greenhouse? All the different things, because there's a huge difference between growing it yourself

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and buying it and selling it. Exactly.  Okay.  Before we started, you said you only had about 35 minutes and we're at 30 minutes now. So  you have a webinar for your coaching coming up. I do. I do. So on this Saturday, I have a webinar.  so hold on, I'm just going to pull it up so I can read off of it.  I have a webinar. So for my coaching, I actually teach people how to

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grow gardens, because I'm really good at that.  And then I also,  my free webinar, it says, do you want to make an income from your homestead or small farm, but don't know where to start?  Join me for a free masterclass. It's an online masterclass. So I don't care where you are in the world.  You can join my free masterclass. And so I will tell my story of how I took 43 acres of land and turned it into a million dollars per year  in farm to table revenue. And then I sold my farm. And I'm also going to tell

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how I took 0.5 acres, so half an acre this season.  And I will generate about 25 to $30,000  in about four months. And this time around, I'm doing chickens, not vegetables. And so it's Saturday, May 26th at 10 a.m. Mountain Standard Time. I don't care where in the world you are. If you can join me, great.  If you can't, there will be a recording sent out. So just sign up anyway. So  yeah, if you'd be willing to share that link on your podcast, that'd be amazing.

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I'm going to do exactly that. And I'm going to share your post from Facebook on my Facebook pages too.  Amazing. Thank you so much. I want you to be successful. I know how much it killed you to sell your farm and you're trying to grow something new and I want to help.  Oh, thank you so much. Absolutely. It did kill me,  but there's a reason for everything. And I think with my personality and my heart, I love people.

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more than I love life itself. The reason I'm really enjoying what I'm doing with my chickens this year, it's not even so much for the chickens and what I do here at my little small place.  It's when I went to the farmer's market and I shook the hands of people and I built those relationships again,  people drive me. I love people more than I love life itself. And so if I can take all of my knowledge and all of my experience  and turn it into helping people, I really think that is the ultimate reason.

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why I had to sell my farm and where I'm headed to next because yeah, I can help others get money, make money and save money off their farms. Awesome.  So  people can find you at Dawn's Dirt on Facebook and do you have a website? forget. I do. My website's not that great, but Facebook and Instagram, Dawn's Dirt and then  I have my own podcast too.  I love this back and forth that we're doing actually and so Dawn's Dirt is my podcast as well. So thank you so much.

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You're welcome. And as always, people can find me at atinyhomesteadpodcast.com.  And Dawn, I love talking with you. I love your energy. I love your heart.  And I hope you have a great day.  Oh, amazing. Thanks so much for having me on the show. Really appreciate it. You're welcome. Have a good day. Bye. You too.